i DONT UNDERSTAND WHY India is so much concernd wth Afghanstan?? They dnt knw ISI will make a horrible example of them. Thy wl b terrified whnever Afganstan,s name wl b called. POOR INDIANS CAHANGE UR THINKING....

ISI is digging graves in Afghanistan. Lets c who falls first, India OR AMERICA????

Vivek,

>> You are trying to dilute 92000 pages of evidence of ISI involvement in terrorism against India

Those three quotes give some balance to Wikileaks. One is from the New York Times, the second from the Guardian and the third from the White House. Are these three sources also supporters of the ISI/Pak Army clique?

@ANWAAR
>> Can you show me where I have supported that clique?

>>But for all their eye-popping details, the intelligence files, which are mostly collated by junior officers relying on informants and Afghan officials, fail to provide a convincing smoking gun for ISI complicity. Most of the reports are vague, filled with incongruent detail, or crudely fabricated." - The Guardian.

>>"A retired senior American officer said ground-level reports were considered to be a mixture of “rumours, bullshit and second-hand information” and were weeded out as they passed up the chain of command. “As someone who had to sift through thousands of these reports, I can say that the chances of finding any real information are pretty slim,” said the officer, who has years of experience in the region." - NYT.

>>"Wikileaks is not an objective news outlet but rather an organization that opposes US policy in Afghanistan." - The White House.

This is exactly what I am talking about. You are trying to dilute 92000 pages of evidence of ISI involvement in terrorism against India, NATO after filling their pockets with Billions of military/civilian aid from dumb Americans.

You try to give benefit of doubt to the murderous regime in a fake country owned by a brutal, terrorist army. You put some opinion of some unidentified general and the WH statement and try to show it as balanced.

This is not supporting the clique but trying to use legalese or technicality to create a doubt and absolvve the terrorist regime of Puke Army/ISI. Unless this human garbage called ISI Generals/Puke Army Generals are chased the way Nazis were after WWII and prosecuted and sent to jails, they will not stop the games.

Well...

Now that the role of Paki army/ISI is established in 11/26 via WikiLeaks and Headley investigations, can the victims' families sue the Pakistani Govt. via UN/ICJ and get compensation that is reasonable like $10 million per person and attach the assets of the murderous Pukestan if they don't pay?

We all know the crooks MMS/Sonia give a damn about Indian lives. The old dog wants a Nobel prize or he wants to be applauded by Obama for the restraint. He or his External Affairs don't care about these things.

Can some one here who has the access to a law firm or UN find out and help the victims to sue the hell out of the barbaric Pukes. They are getting away with murder/terrorism cheaply. So they will keep doing it. If they have to pay millions of compensation, the barbaric scums might worry about killing innocent Indians easily.

US paying Pakistan to kill American troops?

Americans fighting the war in Afghanistan have long harboured strong suspicions that Pakistan's military spy service has guided the Afghan insurgency with a hidden hand, even as Pakistan receives more than $1 billion a year from Washington for its help combating the militants," the New York Times said in its assessment of the report"

http://timesofindia....icleshow/6221017.cms

"Otherwise you would have told us a bit more about that unit."

Faruki

For that you have to read not abuse.

Ghai,

>>>> "but then you wont answer my simple question asking who are these Black Unit people and what do they do. Seems when you have no material, you start throwing dust in people's eye's "
>> In stiched eyes ?

Your stupid answers lead me to believe that you brought up some group called the Black Unit that I have never heard of just as a deception when you had no arguments left. Otherwise you would have told us a bit more about that unit.

"but then you wont answer my simple question asking who are these Black Unit people and what do they do. Seems when you have no material, you start throwing dust in people's eye's "

In stiched eyes ?

Ghai,

>> Kindly start reading other News Papers too in addition to Mlli Gazette and Daily News.

This is stupid. You mention the activities of some unit called the Black Unit to justify your support of fake encounters, but then you wont answer my simple question asking who are these Black Unit people and what do they do. Seems when you have no material, you start throwing dust in people's eyes!

"The Haqqani Network -- the 'good Taliban' [ Images ] for Pakistan and the 'bad Taliban' for the Americans and its allies -- is considered to be one of the most dangerous terror organisations in the world. Tahir Ali gives an insight: "

http://news.rediff.c...sing-the-shadows.htm

Another Dimension of the War on Terror and Pakistan's Real face .

"And who are the Black Units? What do they do?

Kindly start reading other News Papers too in addition to Mlli Gazette and Daily News by Council on American Islamic Relations .

Ghai,

>> You have been insisting time and again that Indian Police should follow American model while dealing with terror.

Do they carry out fake encounters? And who are the Black Units? What do they do?

'Pakistan digging its own grave: Congressman

Pakistan's obsession with India [ Images ] is leading it to "dig its own grave" as the Inter State Intelligence's "destructive role" now stands exposed in the wake of the revelations by classified intelligence documents, a leading US lawmaker has said.

"The ISI's attempt to distinguish good from bad militants will spin out of control. With its obsession with India, Pakistan is digging its own grave," Congressman Ed Royce --"
I've been speaking about the destructive role of Pakistan's ISI for many, many years. I've read this headline before," Royce, co-chair of the Congressional Caucus on India and Indian Americans, said when asked about the WikiLeaks leakage-"

http://news.rediff.c...rave-congressman.htm

"Pakistan's long-term rival, India, joined Afghanistan in saying the leaks confirmed what Delhi had been saying for years about Islamabad's behaviour in Afghanistan. Indian officials said the documents "confirmed what India has been telling for a long time".

India and Indians had never any doub about the involvement of Pakistan,its Army,ISI and various Lashkars supported, given patronage ,financed and trained by the Pakistani Generals .

USA has been down playing involvement of Pakistan all these years though it had ample proofs of Pak Army involvement in the Jehadi Terror against India and in Afghanistan.As of today USA and World at large may feel that Islamic Terrorism can be defeated with help and participation of Pakistan in the War but the stark realities must have dawned on the Army Brass tacks and politicians in the western Countries that The Victory on Terror can't be achieved without neutralizing the source of Terror.Merely killing Terrorists will not end the Terrorism unless and until the mother source of disease i.e. the Pak Army and ISI are neutralized.

Easier said than to perform ! But that is the only way nothing else will work. World Powers have to defang Pakistani Army ,ISI- Lashkar combine if we want to avoid the War of Cultures.


Pacifists will label above as the extreme position but just realize where have we arrived at within Ten years of NYK Towers .After spending Billions and destabilizing World Economies we have not been able to control Terror because we were fighting the symptoms but not the source of disease ! Perhaps the World could have achieved peace had the resources and Arm power been utilized to eradicate the root cause not the symptoms .

"Who are the Black Units .Are they worthy to be copied by the Indian police? "

Faruki

You have been insisting time and again that Indian Police should follow American model while dealing with terror .

Otherwise too what is the other way out to deal with the Terrorists ?

Ghai,

>> Black Units capture and kill Taibanies.This in India is called Encounters .

Who are the Black Units? Are they worthy to be copied by the Indian police?

Vivek,

>> You should be the last person to support that clique.

Can you show me where I have supported that clique?

@ANWAAR

You have been a good contributor to these forums. You may be one of the sane voices among people. But somehow your reaction is always to protect Pakistani state. There are a lot of good Pakistanis and who are normal.They might feel resentful of India or Hindus in general because of the history of the 2 countries and the brain washing they go through all their life.

But their army/ISI are dangerous outfits. Their whole goal is to build international Islamic ummah to dominate the world. They are a dangerous clique of murderers, drug smugglers and fanatics who are bent on creating a dangerous and fanatic world.

You should be the last person to support that clique or divert the attention from this heinous criminals who needs to be prosecuted the way Nazis were prosecuted. The day the world decides to prosecute every Paki army/ISI officer and put them away, the Muslim world will star making progress. They are the enemies of the world and Muslims. They are standing in the way of Muslim progress in the world and in the Indian subcontinent.

Nothing on Wikleaks is unknown before. Even in 1993, the Dawood gang's Bombay bombings were directed by ISI. The investigators found the detonators in the bombs which had the swedish company marking. The swedish company confirmed shipping them to Pukestan army. When India sent them to US as proof, FBI conveniently misplaced them to protect Pukes.

Every major terrorist incident, Taliban, Al Queada all have the finger prints of Pakistani army/ISI or terrorists trained by them committed those crimes.

The Pukes are thinking that they are winning and can re-establish military/terrorist camps in Afghanistan once the US leaves and happily hunt Indians in Kashmir or Mumbai.

The world will deal with them via UN sanctions and the US will take revenge for all their actions. I only hope the world does not punish ordinary Pakistanis. The world should eradicate Pakistani army/ISI officers one by one but help Pakistanis to establish a democracy. May be Pakistan has come too far to go back.

Black Units capture and kill Taibanies.This in India is called Encounters .That is the correct proccedure.Unfortunately here such encounters are criticised if some do to elimnatethe Jihadis but there never were any such restrictions in Punjab .

We must support the Black units !

For Some Balance:

"But for all their eye-popping details, the intelligence files, which are mostly collated by junior officers relying on informants and Afghan officials, fail to provide a convincing smoking gun for ISI complicity. Most of the reports are vague, filled with incongruent detail, or crudely fabricated." - The Guardian.

"A retired senior American officer said ground-level reports were considered to be a mixture of “rumours, bullshit and second-hand information” and were weeded out as they passed up the chain of command. “As someone who had to sift through thousands of these reports, I can say that the chances of finding any real information are pretty slim,” said the officer, who has years of experience in the region." - NYT.

"Wikileaks is not an objective news outlet but rather an organization that opposes US policy in Afghanistan." - The White House.

"Some 92,000 reports from 2004 through 2009, disclosed by Wikileaks.org, illustrate why, after nine years of war, the Taliban are stronger than at any time since 2001." NYT.

Looks as if we have "Pentagon Papers Part II"!

That's war! Things are always much worse than they seem. A Viet Nam style denouement cannot be ruled out.