The bad guys always connect to each other, either by the way of doing things or in their intention. That is the problem, so their voices are loud and acts criminal.

The bigger problem, however, is disconnect between the right thinking people. They may think right but when action is required, they are as good as mentally bankrupt and highly corrupt who can be bought by small sum of cash and a fair lady for sex adventures.

Arundati roy is dead right when she says that the Indian state has failed the Kashmiris!
How else can you justify the shocking silence of the Indian state when lakhs of Kashmiri pandits were hounded out of the valley for not reciting the kalima, opposing the imposition of 'Nizaam-e-mustafa' rule,for standing up for the Indian soverignity and rule and are being made to live as refugees is their own motherland.The indian state lost its soul in Kashmir the day it stoically/helplessly kept silent and allowed this 'ethnic cleansing' to occur.
Let me not take sides by saying that the indian state and Arundathi roy stand on the same pedestal with regards to showing utter disinterest in The Kashmiri pandit cause for it does,nt apparently suit their political agendas!Pity your impotence!

Vivek, very well said about the NY Times. The arrogance, condescension and hypocrisy from them is just mind boggling. Even an ethnic Indian legislator was moved to write a strongly worded response to one of their editorials.

Institutionally, countries like the US and Canada are still hostile to India, or at least unfriendly. Particularly the media. At the level of individuals, yes, you can always find intelligent, informed people who can look beyond the belching and gassing of the NY Times and other media.

>> But it is the responsibility of NY Times to understand Indians view. Any way no one in US even care about news papers with advent of Internet and americans only support indians who are under assault from jehadis.

NY Times will never understand it. But most Americans understand it.

The ruling classes in the US want to leverage India's divisive civil society to get control over the country in several areas. They mostly used to preach us, humiliate us and make fun of us. Most of the Human rights organizations are all fronts of western agencies to reduce our leverage in trade negotiations, stopping progress in technological areas and push religious organizations to further divide Indian society. We all know how our scums whether it is Ms. Roy or Ms. Angana Chaterjee who push their agendas in international forums. They work with shady international organizations helping their efforts to reduce our strength in international negotiations of any kind.

Fortunately for us, the last 20 years have been good for us. First, the software boom helped people in the west realize that we are not a primitive society which these scums paint as we are. Secondly, the Puke terrorism has been exposed and every one understands the dangers of living next to a rouge army country called Pukestan.

If some one listens to these crazy scums, the idea is we are worse than Paki society where millions of upper caste evil yindoos wake up in the morning, rape millions, riot and push the minorities (dalits, muslims, lower castes, tribals) into gas chambers every day. Fortunately, the development has shown us real India. It is an unequal India but India which is slowly emerging out of poverty.

I can see with many Americans traveling to India appreciate our society and how it conducts itself. I can see 60% of new generation Indians working in software industry are not some upper caste evil yindoos but are mostly backward castes and other minorities.

Thanks to the Islamic terrorism prevailing in the western world, they came to appreciate what we are living next to. They understand the power of Wahabi Islamic virulent virus that is threatening the whole world. The scum Ms. Roy and her apologists would like us to believe that it is all India's fault, hegemony and imperialism whether it is J&K or Northeast or Maoism. They think that we can all easily forget Khalistani, Islamic terrorist virus that has been exported from Pukestan and believe their lies. They think that if they repeat the lie that we are the dangerous nuclear power which started the nuclearization of Asia because of all evil yindoo right wing, it somehow becomes truth. They repeat this lie every where 100 times a day in world forums. Most of the liberal liars in the west ran with those lies for long time. But after the exposure of AQ Khan of Pukestan, Chinese help in design and testing of Pukestan's nuclear weapons in China, Pukestan nuclear smuggling machine, a lot of people in the west realized that Pukes got a nuclear weapon not in 1996 when we tested them. In spite of all the evidence, this scum Ms. Roy keeps lying even now every where that the right-wing yindoo evil Govt. of beejaypee introduced the nuclear weapons in south asia. Gladly, the scum has been exposed thoroughly and we should be glad about it.

Good one vivek. Rakhi sawant needs constant publicity. Indians who comment here who are also called right wing lynch mob has understood her game so she writes to NY Times. But it is the responsibility of NY Times to understand Indians view. Any way no one in US even care about news papers with advent of Internet and americans only support indians who are under assault from jehadis.

Article is worth reading for her rant but pity we cannot comment there.

@VIVEK:
>> The garbage loony scum Ms. Roy is clearly a bigot. She is a minority bigot. She works for foreign interests. She tries to drive a wedge in the Indian society using caste, religion, class or any exploitable characteristics she can find. If the Indian media starts criticizing her, she runs to New York Times or some foreign institutions which will fetch her a lot of money.

I pat my self on my back.

TADA! Madam went crying to NYTimes since the press started ignoring the loony especially after Obama's visit.

http://www.nytimes.c...nion/09roy.html?_r=1

She was doing all this for Obama's visit. She wants Nobel PISS prize. She is dying for attention from the west.

There is no difference between these leaders and upper caste leaders when it comes to nepotism, caste favoritism, promoting cronies and corruption.
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Like the blood flowing in the veins of all human being are red, the corruption is bad irresepective of whether it is performed by common people to highest office in government, be it upper or lower caste people. Favoritism is common cause of corruption beside taking short cuts to get rich.

Post mandal comission, we have seen rise of various state level leaders who ruled for sufficient amount of time. Caste based politics were the driving force for their rise. However, everyone wants development. It is more important than social recognition. Just seeing a person on hot seat from your caste doesn't give a feel of anymore than a hollow pride. If not backed up with measures to create opportunities, developmental work then all this feeling of hollow pride goes away.

Last few election results where the governments in states coming back to power on the basis of development work is heartening to see. This is the way to go. Common people just need basic educations, better lives and corruption free environment and who ever provides them with these will be elected again and again in future. Although, hundreds of years of caste structure will take time to go, people to me seems waking up to the reality that when it comes to corruption they should not differentiate between good corruption or bad corruption. It helps only a handful of people and society on whole will only benefit if the corruption is eliminated from roots.

Too bad the moderator deleted my comments. When I look at the upper caste vs lower caste, hindu vs muslim debate that goes on here which has been hateful and divisive.
The divisiveness is not created by right-wing loonies but by scum left wing COMMIES. They get money, fame and awards by increasing the tension in society. In our case, these scums make a lot of money from foreign institutions. That's why these scums never ever deal with dealing issues such as Governance or democratic reforms. They lose all their business if the people focus on real reforms and a society which constantly reform itself to close loopholes.

There was a lot of caste based exploitation/favoritism for centuries. You can't do anything about it. You don't hate people of this generation for the crimes of previous generations. The Muslim invaders committed a lot of atrocities on Hindus. You can't hold Muslims of today responsible for the crimes of invaders or previous generation Muslims.

A lot of liberal pretenders who preach Roy's hateful philosophy are very smart. They call people who blame Muslims for past atrocities as bigots. But they some how keep bringing upper caste, evil yindoo oppression talk all the time. They call themselves as Liberal.

The garbage loony scum Ms. Roy is clearly a bigot. She is a minority bigot. She works for foreign interests. She tries to drive a wedge in the Indian society using caste, religion, class or any exploitable characteristics she can find. If the Indian media starts criticizing her, she runs to New York Times or some foreign institutions which will fetch her a lot of money.

We have to move on regardless of the burden of the past. You just have to keep reforming democracy to remove discrimination, exploitation and increasing transparency in Governance. We don't do this with hatred, jealousy and living in the past.

We have been doing OK as we keep growing and increasing the middle class in all sections of the society. Does every section in our society have equal opportunity? NO. How can we achieve that?

The only way to do that is to allow independent institutions that are electable by people. We need to free political parties from the clutches of dynasties, caste leaders preferably by using Primary kind of system that can be adaptable to Indian environment. As we have seen in this last 20 years, the Backward caste leaders such as Mulyam, Laloo, Maya, KarunaNidhi proved as bad as Gandhi dynasty or upper caste leaders such as Chavan (Maharashtra) or YSR (AP). There is no difference between these leaders and upper caste leaders when it comes to nepotism, caste favoritism, promoting cronies and corruption.

The caste mobilization and consolidation has already reduced to a great extent in this generation. It will take another generation to further reduce this issue. The killing of caste equations looks like more dangerous for the loony left. They will lose all their significance.

""India is an upper caste Hindu state that is certainly at war with minorities '

So was Jinnah right ??

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India is an upper caste Hindu state that is certainly at war with minorities"
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I missed the "war with minorities" part. (bcos it is not quoted by Ganapathy, I think)

The statement is self contradictory. "Upper castes" are themselves minorities.

>>>> "India is an upper caste Hindu state that is certainly at war with minorities"

>> Is it not a fact?

No.

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And you think the only qualification they had was that they were from upper caste? If that's the line of your thinking then god help you.
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I don't think there is anything wrong in thinking that upper castes look out for themselves. Almost all government jobs in the olden days (probably even now) are filled thru contacts and recommendations and sham interviews. It is little surprise that the bureaucracy is dominated by upper castes.

india is a upper caste hindu state where almost all primeministers/cabinet secretaries,judges in supreme court (Munnuswamy)
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And you think the only qualification they had was that they were from upper caste? If that's the line of your thinking then god help you.

dear lost
how come a fact becomes deriding upper castes.india is a upper caste hindu state where almost all primeministers/cabinet secretaries,judges in supreme court(2 in 60 yrs from sc and that too becos k r narayanan put his foot down),home sec,rbi governors,chief secretaries,dgps, generals and the list goes on.i will be really happy if dalits r berated like the dalit indian state

Issue is what she said. Not what she did not. So do not conjecture what she could have said. Limit your comments & critique to what she did say.You not the one to set her agenda on what she should comment or not comment.

"brand of destructive agenda called 'Hinduitya' which has nothing to do with hinduism."

She hasn't uttered a word against militant Christianity or fundamentalist Christians, while denouncing what she perceives as hostility against Christianity per se by the Hindu groups. Yes, that is very interesting that she almost never mentions Buddhism or its links to India. This is because she realises in her heart of hearts, that Buddhism is not anti-Hindu or anti-India, and cannot be used to galvanise people against the idea of India. Such an attempt would backfire very severely. Buddhists worldwide have no anti-India feelings at all, only friendly sentiments. The story is a little different with Islam and Christianity, and with the remnants of the now totally discredited and defeated Khalistan movement. They can be used for her hostile purposes.

anwaar ,
India is an upper caste Hindu state that is certainly at war with .... Arundhati Roy has been sniping at India in various ways so long that ...
news.outlookindia.co...com/item.aspx?698541 - Cached

25 Oct 2010 ... Kashmir not India's integral part: Arundhati ... India is an upper caste Hindu state that is certainly at war with minorities. ...
www.greaterkashmir.c...art-arundhati-36.asp - Cached

I will need more time to locate outlook reference

Identity Lost,

You had said to Manish, "How do you explain her berating hindu upper caste." You were going to provide the link to support your remark. Where is your link?

>Arundhati Roy never uses negative or derogatory words to describe anything that could be connected to Christianity.

Arundhat Roy never used any negative or derogatory words to describe that could be copnnected to Budhism. She might as well have a Budhist agenda. Deductive logic is not strong point of Arundhati baiters.

> She is quite free with the adjectives when it comes to behaviour and policies that do have a link to Hinduism,

Not 'hinduism'. She has been free with her criticism for a special brand of destructive agenda called 'Hinduitya' which has nothing to do with hinduism.

>> First of all India does not need any such good words. Secondly, are you ever going to counterbalance your own unmitigated anti-Muslim hostility?

Hmm. Do Muslims need such good words from Varun or many others you berate as Sanghi?

Moreover, if you feel that Varun or anyone else deserves your contempt for failing to counterbalance his posts, isn't it only logical that others can have similar opinions about Martha?

>> First of all India does not need any such good words. Secondly, are you ever going to counterbalance your own unmitigated anti-Muslim hostility?

Hmm. Do Muslims need such good words from Varun or many others you berate as Sanghi. Moreover, if you feel that Varun or anyone else deserves your contempt for failing to counterbalance his posts, isn't it only logical that others can have similar opinions about Martha.

Varun,

>> Expecting Martha Nussbaum to at least mention( not necessarily write a book, just mention) "You know what, though India's secularism and tolerance isn't perfect, there are countries that are far worse, including Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, countries that *every* American administration, whether Democrat or Republican, has supported and even propped up"

You see her books as hostile rather than scholarly, so you expect her to counterbalance her hostility with some good words for India! First of all India does not need any such good words. Secondly, are you ever going to counterbalance your own unmitigated anti-Muslim hostility?

Imagine that. Expecting Martha Nussbaum to at least mention( not necessarily write a book, just mention) "You know what, though India's secularism and tolerance isn't perfect, there are countries that are far worse, including Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, countries that *every* American administration, whether Democrat or Republican, has supported and even propped up"

My, how agonising it must be just to say those few lines, let alone give a speech about it.

Varun,

>> Arundhati Roy does show her disingenuousness and dishonesty by her constant refusal to link Christianity and Christian evangelism with global imperialism.

Hardly any writer of note does. You wanted Martha Nussbaum too to write what you thought she should write. This is reaching the point of being laughable.

Some excellent analysis.

"But to any intelligent readers who may be sitting on the fence or for anyone from middle-class India taking their first tentative steps towards greater political involvement, her polemic serves to terrify and alienate."

Well said.

"Roy's delineation of the situation in Kashmir is overly simplistic, intellectually dishonest and wholly lacking in nuance or balance"

Exactly. This is because understanding the complexity of any problem requires some impartial study. She does not have time, nor have any intention to do so. She just jumps on hot issue for publicity.

"But her writing is rapidly becoming irrelevant in Indian public discourse."

I do not think anyone takes her opinion seriously. She just serves amusement value for media. It is only stupid BJP who made hero out of her. But with Govt deciding to ignore her, she will be forgotten in coming days. I am sure she knows this also. That is why she does not stay on any issues for long time.

Arundhati Roy never uses negative or derogatory words to describe anything that could be connected to Christianity. She is quite free with the adjectives when it comes to behaviour and policies that do have a link to Hinduism, even in her perception an aggressive Hinduism. But never for Christianity. You never see her denouncing even Southern Baptists, or other aggressive Christians. Thus "right wing Christianity", "militant Christianity", "extremist Christians", "bible thumpers" etc etc, are wholly absent from her lexicon.

manish it is in article displayed by Outlook where she blames hindu uppercaste. Give me time to search and provide link.

>How do you explain her berating hindu upper caste

Let's have an example of 'her berating hindu upper caste', from either from her writings or speeches. Manufacturing imagianary & false atributions to her itself is turning into qute a business & some hacks are making a living out of it.

Manish,

How do you explain her berating hindu upper caste.

But Arundhati Roy does show her disingenuousness and dishonesty by her constant refusal to link Christianity and Christian evangelism with global imperialism.

William Shaksepeare, Isaac Newton, George Bernard Shaw, George Washington , Mahatma Gandhi, Sachin Tendulkar, Tiger Woods, Salman Khan, Deepika Padukone , Jack the Ripper, Salman Rushdie, David Headly, Yedurappa, Gen.Deepak Kapoor, Kishore Kumar, Asha Bhonsle, Rajanikant, A.Raja, Bobby Jindal, Phoolan Devi - name any name that comes to mind - more than likely than not, he or she did not 'link Christianity and Christian evangelism with global imperialism'. Why pick on Arundhati Roy for not doing so? Why only she should accused of 'disingenuousness and dishonesty'? Some people seem to loose all sense of context, elementary logic & balance when it comes to Arundhati Roy.

>There is surely a link between these forces, now and even more historically.

May be. But why this pedantry here?

>The only explanation for this lacunae is she has a Christian agenda for India, and thus any perceived linkage with imperialism would cause a setback for the entities who are attempting to spread Christianity in India.

Nonsense. Let's have concrete examples of 'Christian agenda' from her writings or deeds. And then get on with the job of finding 'only explanation'. Mere remour mongering in garb of pedagogy will not do.

My request please do not respond to catamaran or anwaar unless they have some thing new to say. Every discussion otherwise degenerates in to worthless banter.

Leo mirani from guardian "for anyone from middle-class India taking their first tentative steps towards greater political involvement"

Internet has given voice to middle class who are also termed as extreme right lynch mob. They are better than journalists with degrees in liberal arts. They have better analytical skills and intelligence.

But Arundhati Roy does show her disingenuousness and dishonesty by her constant refusal to link Christianity and Christian evangelism with global imperialism. There is surely a link between these forces, now and even more historically. Yet there is nary a word in all her hyper-emotional articles. The only explanation for this lacunae is she has a Christian agenda for India, and thus any perceived linkage with imperialism would cause a setback for the entities who are attempting to spread Christianity in India.

Varun,

>> she never mentions his (Bush's) role in spreading Christianity!

None of his crtics ever do! At least I have not come across any.

Varun Shekhar reveals again and again that he is not just not so bright but also paranoid, but then that might well be a function of being a little slow.

Also, it is interesting that with all her criticism of the former US president George Bush, she never mentions his role in spreading Christianity! Which makes Arundhati dishonest and disingenuous. The only conclusion one can draw is that linking Christian evangelism in India to the US and George Bush, would expose the duplicity and deceit of their behaviour. And expose Arundhati Roy as someone who essentially supports such evangelism.

The wrap up is incomplete without reference to the coda; unsurprising illegal actions by the Sangh - violence their calling card, death their handmaiden.

>Roy has important things to say, but her tone and bluster ensure the only people listening are those who already agree with her

Make a note of the 'important things', ignore the 'tone'; her style or tone has always been pithy. 'Bluster'? Where is the bluster? Obviously this commentator rushed to meet the deadline & didn't bother read her up.

Going by the bevy of newspapers, magazines ,journals, new media which carried commentaries on her, those who do not aprove of her are the one's who seems to read her most ( or do not think it necessary, for counters to her by now has been sraight-jacketted & standardised ). Schizophrenia & hackles she raises right here is a good indicator.

>For the university lefties in India, she confirms their worst fears of a nation falling apart.

To those who do care, the nation is not exacly in pink of health being in the bottom of the welfare index & one of the most corrupt, even though not 'falling apart'. Clever snipes or left handed compliments do not help.

>But to any intelligent readers who may be sitting on the fence or for anyone from middle-class India taking their first tentative steps towards greater political involvement, her polemic serves to terrify and alienate.

Don't bother about middle class India. They don't matter. Look how jittery & insecure they are when Obama says he would tax outsoursing even if he don't have the political heft to do that either.

>This week's shenanigans prove that debate about Arundhati Roy is, as ever, thriving

How then she 'is rapidly becoming irrelevant in Indian public discourse'? This chap is pompous lighht head.


>I'm not calling for Arundhati Roy to be arrested or tried for sedition. I also vehemently oppose the online outpourings of extreme right-wing lynch mobs. Nor do I defend the role of the Indian State in Kashmir.

This kind of opening gambit has now become now a mast-head of those who do not have the courage to take her head on & secretely admire her.

>True! She is not for beginners!
>Marginalized, yes! But calling her irrelevant is impolitic.
>That is not something to be sneezed at.

Your finger waving is acquiring alarming proportions.

>> But to any intelligent readers who may be sitting on the fence or for anyone from middle-class India taking their first tentative steps towards greater political involvement, her polemic serves to terrify and alienate. (Leo Mirani)

True! She is not for beginners!

>> her writing is rapidly becoming irrelevant in Indian public discourse. (Salil Tripathi)

Marginalized, yes! But calling her irrelevant is impolitic.

>> She does an important job of holding up a mirror to Indian civil society and forcing us to focus on our failings. (Venkatesan Vembu)

That is not something to be sneezed at.

There are other geopolitical forces - including Pakistan-backed jihadi elements whose larger aim is the disintegration of secular India - that she does not acknowledge.
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And she will never acknowledge beacuse that doesn't gives any publicity to her status as independent moral republic.

>True! She is not for beginners!
>Marginalized, yes! But calling her irrelevant is impolitic.
>That is not something to be sneezed at.

Your finger waving is acquiring alarming proportions.

There are other geopolitical forces - including Pakistan-backed jihadi elements whose larger aim is the disintegration of secular India - that she does not acknowledge.
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And she will never acknowledge beacuse that doesn't gives any publicity to her status as independent moral republic.

Good one vivek. Rakhi sawant needs constant publicity. Indians who comment here who are also called right wing lynch mob has understood her game so she writes to NY Times. But it is the responsibility of NY Times to understand Indians view. Any way no one in US even care about news papers with advent of Internet and americans only support indians who are under assault from jehadis.

Article is worth reading for her rant but pity we cannot comment there.

>> First of all India does not need any such good words. Secondly, are you ever going to counterbalance your own unmitigated anti-Muslim hostility?

Hmm. Do Muslims need such good words from Varun or many others you berate as Sanghi?

Moreover, if you feel that Varun or anyone else deserves your contempt for failing to counterbalance his posts, isn't it only logical that others can have similar opinions about Martha?

>How do you explain her berating hindu upper caste

Let's have an example of 'her berating hindu upper caste', from either from her writings or speeches. Manufacturing imagianary & false atributions to her itself is turning into qute a business & some hacks are making a living out of it.

But Arundhati Roy does show her disingenuousness and dishonesty by her constant refusal to link Christianity and Christian evangelism with global imperialism. There is surely a link between these forces, now and even more historically. Yet there is nary a word in all her hyper-emotional articles. The only explanation for this lacunae is she has a Christian agenda for India, and thus any perceived linkage with imperialism would cause a setback for the entities who are attempting to spread Christianity in India.

>> But to any intelligent readers who may be sitting on the fence or for anyone from middle-class India taking their first tentative steps towards greater political involvement, her polemic serves to terrify and alienate. (Leo Mirani)

True! She is not for beginners!

>> her writing is rapidly becoming irrelevant in Indian public discourse. (Salil Tripathi)

Marginalized, yes! But calling her irrelevant is impolitic.

>> She does an important job of holding up a mirror to Indian civil society and forcing us to focus on our failings. (Venkatesan Vembu)

That is not something to be sneezed at.

>> But to any intelligent readers who may be sitting on the fence or for anyone from middle-class India taking their first tentative steps towards greater political involvement, her polemic serves to terrify and alienate. (Leo Mirani)

True! She is not for beginners!

>> her writing is rapidly becoming irrelevant in Indian public discourse. (Salil Tripathi)

Marginalized, yes! But calling her irrelevant is impolitic.

>> She does an important job of holding up a mirror to Indian civil society and forcing us to focus on our failings. (Venkatesan Vembu)

That is not something to be sneezed at.

Arundati roy is dead right when she says that the Indian state has failed the Kashmiris!
How else can you justify the shocking silence of the Indian state when lakhs of Kashmiri pandits were hounded out of the valley for not reciting the kalima, opposing the imposition of 'Nizaam-e-mustafa' rule,for standing up for the Indian soverignity and rule and are being made to live as refugees is their own motherland.The indian state lost its soul in Kashmir the day it stoically/helplessly kept silent and allowed this 'ethnic cleansing' to occur.
Let me not take sides by saying that the indian state and Arundathi roy stand on the same pedestal with regards to showing utter disinterest in The Kashmiri pandit cause for it does,nt apparently suit their political agendas!Pity your impotence!

>How do you explain her berating hindu upper caste

Let's have an example of 'her berating hindu upper caste', from either from her writings or speeches. Manufacturing imagianary & false atributions to her itself is turning into qute a business & some hacks are making a living out of it.

But Arundhati Roy does show her disingenuousness and dishonesty by her constant refusal to link Christianity and Christian evangelism with global imperialism.

William Shaksepeare, Isaac Newton, George Bernard Shaw, George Washington , Mahatma Gandhi, Sachin Tendulkar, Tiger Woods, Salman Khan, Deepika Padukone , Jack the Ripper, Salman Rushdie, David Headly, Yedurappa, Gen.Deepak Kapoor, Kishore Kumar, Asha Bhonsle, Rajanikant, A.Raja, Bobby Jindal, Phoolan Devi - name any name that comes to mind - more than likely than not, he or she did not 'link Christianity and Christian evangelism with global imperialism'. Why pick on Arundhati Roy for not doing so? Why only she should accused of 'disingenuousness and dishonesty'? Some people seem to loose all sense of context, elementary logic & balance when it comes to Arundhati Roy.

>There is surely a link between these forces, now and even more historically.

May be. But why this pedantry here?

>The only explanation for this lacunae is she has a Christian agenda for India, and thus any perceived linkage with imperialism would cause a setback for the entities who are attempting to spread Christianity in India.

Nonsense. Let's have concrete examples of 'Christian agenda' from her writings or deeds. And then get on with the job of finding 'only explanation'. Mere remour mongering in garb of pedagogy will not do.

>True! She is not for beginners!
>Marginalized, yes! But calling her irrelevant is impolitic.
>That is not something to be sneezed at.

Your finger waving is acquiring alarming proportions.

There are other geopolitical forces - including Pakistan-backed jihadi elements whose larger aim is the disintegration of secular India - that she does not acknowledge.
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And she will never acknowledge beacuse that doesn't gives any publicity to her status as independent moral republic.