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1/D-127
Dec 15, 2010
02:01 PM

A peace activist should be someone who contributes positively to establishment of peace and/or enables to bring better understanding among groups involved in a conflict.

There is nothing on ground to demonstrate that Ms Roy is doing anything to bring peace. Writing long English articles with pet conspiracy theories that border on name calling, rabble rousing surely does not contribute to conflict resolution and peace promotion. If anything, such writings only increase the distance between peoples on either side of conflict.

Yes, it is possible that Roy may be awarded Nobel Prize, but what is the credibility of a Prize that was granted to Henry Kissinger but denied to MK Gandhi ?

My humble suggestion is that if Roy could be considered for Peaze Prize, a better candidate could be Syed Shah Geelani ; atleast he is brutally honest and forthright in what he needs and does not indulge in verbal obfuscation and unwanted name calling.

Ramki
Delhi, India
2/D-130
Dec 15, 2010
02:13 PM

 Oh so whats new with this prize? Hasnt clinton felicitated chatwal and mukesh ambani? How you forget Burkha and Rajdeep given padmashri and IAS officiers for time immemorial patronizing dancers. The whole game of awards, prizes are basically given to people who benefit the people giving awards in kind. 

Identity lost
vanuatu, Vanuatu
3/D-131
Dec 15, 2010
02:16 PM

If Syed Shah Geelani is given the Nobel Peace Prize, will Indian Ambassador attend the ceremony? And will India ask China to abstain from the ceremony?

Ramesh Kumar
Mumbai, India
4/D-134
Dec 15, 2010
02:23 PM

#3,

Needless to say that if in hypothetical scenario of Geelani gets the Peace Prize, China and Pak and much of OIC will surely attend while India (and maybe Bhutan, Nepal and Vietnam) would not attend. Pakistani Media will celebrate and cheer  it. But will not make any difference on ground. Just as Obama getting the prize did not make him the best president of US.

#2

Burkha Dutt got a Padmashree, Henry Kissinger got a Peace Prize.It is evident that these prizes are more of political statements than anything else.

Ramki
Delhi, India
5/D-136
Dec 15, 2010
02:27 PM

Another leftist, Jean Paul Sartre, was awarded the Nobel in 1964. He refused to accept it.

A Communist, Le Duc Tho of Viet Nam, was awarded the 1973 Nobel Peace Prize. He too refused to accept it. 

Wonder if Arundhati too would refuse if she was picked.

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
6/D-149
Dec 15, 2010
03:32 PM

"Wonder if Arundhati too would refuse if she was picked."

How will she refuse when she has worked so hard for it ? All her rhetoric and publicity seeking attitude seems to be pointing to something like this..

Anyhow Nobel has lost much of its credibility.. If liars like S A Roy gets it, it will only degrade the quality further.. Best response will be to ignore her and the award..

Rajesh
Bangalore, India
7/D-153
Dec 15, 2010
05:05 PM

>> A peace activist should be someone who contributes positively to establishment of peace and/or enables to bring better understanding among groups involved in a conflict.
>> There is nothing on ground to demonstrate that Ms Roy is doing anything to bring peace.

A peace activist can stand up and speak for the oppressed/victims, even if the otherside is not in a mood to listen. Arundhati Roy does that in a climate where even the media (which is supposed to be a bit left of center and stay away from corporate interests etc) has turned blatantly favoring big business interests (perhaps for their own revenues).
 

Kumar
Bangalore, India
8/D-162
Dec 15, 2010
05:51 PM

Roy is pro Maoists .No chance

ram prasn haryanvi
Ambala Cantt, India
9/D-166
Dec 15, 2010
06:13 PM

>> Roy is pro Maoists .No chance

She is talking for the plight of tribals, when even the media seems to have immersed itself into big business interests alone (at the expense of all other values), and even the left parties don’t seems to bother.

Kumar
Bangalore, India
10/D-10
Dec 16, 2010
01:38 AM

"She is talking for the plight of tribals"

Thats what she says.. But what she actually does is publicity seeking rhetorics and joining hands with fundamentalists and radicalists enjoying the benefits of the very system which she treats with contempt..

"the media (which is supposed to be a bit left of center and stay away from corporate interests etc)"

Who said media is supposed  to be left of center ? Lefty nuts decide that too ? Dont we hav enough Lefty journalists and media houses already?
 

Rajesh
Bangalore, India
11/D-15
Dec 16, 2010
03:00 AM

I hope our government displays more maturity than the Chinese government.

But taking into account how we have reacted in the past regarding trivial issues such as Ms. Sheila Dikshit's name being made fun of in NZ, I am not sanguine.

Aris
Melbourne, Australia
12/D-16
Dec 16, 2010
03:04 AM

Ram Prasn Haryani

Roy is pro Maoists .No chance

I think the point of the article is how would we react if an Indian, who is perceived to be inimical to India, is nominated for the Nobel Peace prize. It's not about Arundhati Roy per se.

Aris
Melbourne, Australia
13/D-17
Dec 16, 2010
03:14 AM

Who cares about Noble Peace prize anyway ? With someone like Gandhiji getting rejected 3 times and people like Henry Kissinger getting this award, there is a hardly any value to this political award unlike other Noble scientific awards.

Let Arundhati and Gilani have this award. We really donot care. Now can outlook stop running stories of this worthless character ? 

Maha
NJ, United States
14/D-19
Dec 16, 2010
03:17 AM

Replace Noble with Nobel in my previous awards.

Maha
NJ, United States
15/D-20
Dec 16, 2010
03:51 AM

Maha,

Who cares about Noble Peace prize anyway ?

It's about perception. And it can be quite damaging to our image. So in that sense it matters, though most of us have, from time to time, questioned the decision of the committee to award 'questionable' people.

Aris
Melbourne, Australia
16/D-29
Dec 16, 2010
05:38 AM

Aris,

>> I think the point of the article is how would we react if an Indian, who is perceived to be inimical to India, is nominated for the Nobel Peace prize

Inimical to India? There are about 800 million people in India living on less than twenty rupees a day and when Arundhati Roy takes up issues such as mass displacement, poverty, malnutrition etc, they don’t consider that as 'inimical to India'. You seem to be getting carried away by a few who lost touch with reality.

Kumar
Bangalore, India
17/D-30
Dec 16, 2010
05:44 AM

Gandhi's not receiving the Nobel Peace Prize has been publicly regretted by  members of the Nobel Committee. When the Dalai Lama was awarded the Peace Prize in 1989, the chairman of the committee said that this was "in part a tribute to the memory of Mahatma Gandhi".
 

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
18/D-32
Dec 16, 2010
06:04 AM

Kumar,

The key word is "perceived."

Again, to reiterate, this is not about Arundhati Roy - it could be anyone.

Aris
Melbourne, Australia
19/D-33
Dec 16, 2010
06:14 AM

Aris,

>> The key word is "perceived."

I do not agree that she is 'perceived' to be inimical to India, except by a few right wingers. Even she attacks the establishment for their policy with regard to mass displament of poor etc, most do not disagree - even those disagree do not find reason to hate her for raising those issues.

Kumar
Bangalore, India
20/D-34
Dec 16, 2010
06:21 AM

Kumar,

Maybe I haven't been clear enough. For me, this is not about Arundhati Roy. It's the thought behind the article. Maybe, as you say, she is not perceived, overall, to be inimical to India. That is neither here nor there. Allow me to quote my earlier post that has raised your objection.

I think the point of the article is how would we react if an Indian, who is perceived to be inimical to India, is nominated for the Nobel Peace prize. It's not about Arundhati Roy per se.

Please also read my post just before the quoted post. 

But I must add, that the writers of the articles mentioned above, specifically mentioned Arundhati Roy because her actions appear to polarise opinions in India... 


Aris
Melbourne, Australia
21/D-35
Dec 16, 2010
06:38 AM

>> specifically mentioned Arundhati Roy because her actions appear to polarise opinions in India...

But I think they are giving too much credit to a small percentage of people, by calling it a 'polarization'.
 

Kumar
Bangalore, India
22/D-37
Dec 16, 2010
06:45 AM

Kumar,

Let's keep Arundhati Roy out of this discussion for the moment, if you don't mind.

It's not the size of the percentages that matter. It's the question of influence that these percentages can muster that's important. A small percentage can have a huge influence in shaping people's opinions.

Aris
Melbourne, Australia
23/D-42
Dec 16, 2010
07:18 AM

It is possible if she tones down her criticism of Israel and maintain a good relationship with Jews which she is already doing, I guess.

If Arundhati Roy gets nobel, Outlook I think will dedicate an entire year for her.. :-)

Selvan
Boston, United States
24/D-43
Dec 16, 2010
07:31 AM

Other probable candidates for the Nobel are,Osama bin Laden,Arundhati,Barkha,Sonia,Manmohan,A.Raja,Musharaff etc.

S.S.Nagaraj
Bangalore, India
25/D-67
Dec 16, 2010
12:22 PM

>> A peace activist can stand up and speak for the oppressed/victims, even if the otherside is not in a mood to listen. Arundhati Roy does that in a climate where even the media (which is supposed to be a bit left of center and stay away from corporate interests etc) has turned blatantly favoring big business interests (perhaps for their own revenues).
 

You are wrong. Mere speaking in favour of victims (or perceived victims) would not be sufficient enough to give a Nobel Prize. If that were the case, many people commenting here prolifically (including you) could deserve a Nobel Prize.

The Indian State, unlike China is a democratic state and if Roy perceives the state and its laws to be against tribals, she could have started a political party of tribals , created a solid votebank and captured power. She could then evolve a proper framework to distribute power and wealth to tribals. Though not completely successful, to some extent BSP/Mayawathi has done it. Nothing in Indian law prevents Roy from doing that.

Instead of really working for tribals, Roy has chosen to crunwanted chatter and speak up for Maoists . Maoists and Tribals are not same . And Maoists are not victims by any sense, they are revenge seekers.

And regards to Kashmir, Roy has really not told anything of substance. She has just spoken in favour of agenda of those who want theocracy. This does not aid in peace promotion by any stretch.

And you seem to suggest here that Roy is the only person who is speaking about mass displacement, malnutrition and other poverty issues in india. Looks like you are not in touch with Indian Media. There are a hundred newspapers, a thousand blogs which keep reporting and speaking about these issues everyday. The question is, does Roy have any solution to resolve these problems?

Roy is not a Ela Bhatt or MS Swaminathan or Jean Dreaze or Aruna Roy or M Yunus by any stretch...

Aris,

The influence of Nobel Prize for Peace is highly overrated. Amartya Sen got Nobel prize ; yet his world view or economic theories arent the only ones that are being followed. Nobel Prize for peace is a political statement and if Roy is given the same, it will not have any long term impact on the situation on ground.

Ramki
Delhi, India
26/D-69
Dec 16, 2010
12:49 PM

 We have quite a long history of abuse and self-abuse. The Anglo-Saxon sphere awards, praises and fetes The Roys, Adigas, Nirad Chaudhuris and Naipauls with great alacrity. This is because they are the ideological brown Indian sepoys of the white man. What better way to feel superior than get the brownies to abuse themselves?

India is to be portrayed as the  Dirty Other - counterfoil to the Clean West. Why would a Danny Boyle (abetted by script-writer Gulzar) cover a slum kid with yellow chocolate and symbolize India as Shit? Abuse and Self-Abuse.

"Depict Wretched India" is a long and enduring market, pioneered by Katherine Mayo.The Roys and Adigas see this market and act as feeders to this particular audience. Their job is to make The West feel Superior.

Birju Mahavir
Lucknow, India
27/D-73
Dec 16, 2010
01:25 PM

>> if Roy perceives the state and its laws to be against tribals, she could have started a political party of tribals , created a solid votebank and captured power. She could then evolve a proper framework to distribute power and wealth to tribals. Though not completely successful, to some extent BSP/Mayawathi has done it. Nothing in Indian law prevents Roy from doing that.

Where did anyone say that Indian law prevents Arundhati Roy from starting a political party? Anyway, politics is not the only way. There are many writers, activists etc all over the world who fight the rights of various oppressed/disadvantaged sections without necessarily starting political parties.
 

Kumar
Bangalore, India
28/D-86
Dec 16, 2010
03:55 PM

Ramki

The influence of Nobel Prize for Peace is highly overrated.

It's cumulative. In a recent survey of top intellectuals around the world, when asked who will come on top in a few years time - quite a lot of them picked out India rather than China. The choice was binary - either India or China. This does not mean that India will come on top, and it would be foolish to think that these intellectuals will turn out to be correct. However, it is important to note the goodwill they have towards India. Maybe the bad press that China got because of the way it reacted towards the Nobel prize committee affected their opinions to a small extent. Maybe.

If India reacts the same way that China did, then there will be some erosion of that goodwill. Is it important? I would say, yes. 

I agree with you that the Nobel Peace prize is a political statement and I would go so far as to postulate that the Nobel Peace prize committee is stuck in the past. After all, Liu Xiabao supported the war in Iraq and he normally supports the US in their wars.

Also people generally note the multitude of voices (noises!) that come out of India. And I think that's a good thing too. That's one of the reasons why democracy is so important. A country can, if need be, develop their infrastructure. But implanting and ensuring that democracy survives is much more difficult.

Aris
Melbourne, Australia
29/D-128
Dec 16, 2010
09:03 PM

"do not agree that she is 'perceived' to be inimical to India, except by a few right wingers"

Oh ya, she joining hands with Islamic moons like Geelanis affects only rightwingers.. Lefty nuts in this country are immune to anything dealing with nationhood or with Islamic fundamentalism.. how she takes care of issues affecting tribals was well known during the narmada dam issue..

""Depict Wretched India" is a long and enduring market, pioneered by Katherine Mayo.The Roys and Adigas see this market and act as feeders to this particular audience"

Couldnt have put it better.. The fact is such brown shahibs occupy influential positions and keep throwing mud at the very country and system that allowed them to grow..


 

Rajesh
Bangalore, India
30/D-133
Dec 16, 2010
09:29 PM

What if Arundhat Roy won the Nobel peace prize?

She can't win  as ant-natioanls are not entitled. If the commitee at Oslo is insisitant a handy a Tis-Hazari Magistrate  can always grant injunction prohibiting such awards activity.

MANISH BANERJEE
KOLKATA, India
31/D-155
Dec 16, 2010
11:02 PM

really intriguing if indeed the hypothetical situation turns out to be a real one...

coolfunnytshirts.net
Gurgaon, India
32/D-131
Dec 18, 2010
08:01 PM

Do Arundhati covet the Nobel peace prize? Under her current anti-natioanl status that is unlikely to happen. So if she is serious she should -

- Check out of that godamn thousand star hotel.

- Development & mining is inextricably interlinked; realise that you fool of a woman! even if it's illegal mining. Under the current statutes legal mining is oxymoron.

- Be seen more often at India Hobby Centre.

- Come to think of it there is no Kashmir problem

- Declare openly  handsome Omar Abdulla doing handsome at Srinagar.

- Write a thirty pager in New Yorker ( none of those idiotic cartoons please!) about those unwashed  Mullahs in Teheran who want a woman to be  to stoned to death.

- She may , if she really wants to, go ballistic on human rights violation in China but wisdom on the street suggest  that she better go soft; those slit-eyes there developed too much muscle , damn big market!

- Those stuffed shirts at Oslo might not know who Mao De Jong is. Get Niira Radia to lobby for her. If situation demands she will replace the whole damn committee with sympathisers.

-  Make peace with Ramachandra Guha; he is, after all,  one of the hundred most influencial tntellectuals of the world.

- Manmohan Sing is likely to be unemployed soon ; take tutorials from him on trickle-down effect of high GDP, never mind HDI.

Good Luck!

MANISH BANERJEE
KOLKATA, India
33/D-145
Dec 18, 2010
09:09 PM

Aris,

There is absolutely no doubt that India should remain a democratic and open society where a multitude of voices should be heard. But that does not mean that we should let voices that speak lies and encourage and abet themes that are against constitution of India go unchallenged.

Roy has chosen to side Maoists under the pretext of supporting the oppressed tribals but she has not articulated a clear vision of how the lot of the tribal population of India can be improved. But this has not be pointed out by Indian Media.

Likewise in the case of Kashmir, Roy has clearly elected to join hands/partner with such leaders who want theocracy in Kashmir. This goes against the very principles of Indian Contitution and surely what was needed a swift and clear response from Indian State , but that has not happened.

That said, yes there is every likely hood that Roy is given Nobel Prize for Peace in coming years, but that will not make things better in Kashmir or in rest of India. because, she does not have any unique vision or forumula to set things right. Rhetoric should not be confused with Rationality.

Ramki
Delhi, India
34/D-167
Dec 18, 2010
11:12 PM

If the nobel peace prise weren't such murky stuff (e.g. see www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/dec/07/usa.comment) then Roy would have got the peace nobel by now; and chomsky would have got it decades ago.

whydontIdie
Calcutta, India
35/D-169
Dec 18, 2010
11:16 PM

Since Sartre's refused and said he had no use for 'this sack of potatoes' (though that was the literature nobel) they are maybe wary of offering nobels to high-profile independent-minded dissidents like Roy and Chomsky ?

whydontIdie
Calcutta, India
36/D-40
Dec 23, 2010
04:21 AM

 If  arundati roy gets the noble Vinod mehta deserves a good % of the award

raja
chandigarh, India
37/D-138
Dec 25, 2010
10:57 PM

 If Roy gets it Indians wi11 sti11 be s1eeping in their arguement...hahaha.

reisang
delhi, India
38/D-17
Dec 28, 2010
02:43 AM

Why is it that right-wing NRI (mostly) anti-people (hence anti-Arundhati) State-worshipping (specially worshipping the India-USA-Israel trinity) internet-commenting trash tend to write such poor English? (e.g. see some of comments above).

I would guess they express themselves poorly in *any* language, because really they don't have anything worthwhile to express ...

whydontIdie
Calcutta, India
39/D-18
Dec 28, 2010
02:43 AM

Why is it that right-wing NRI (mostly) anti-people (hence anti-Arundhati) State-worshipping (specially worshipping the India-USA-Israel trinity) internet-commenting trash tend to write such poor English? (e.g. see some of comments above).

I would guess they express themselves poorly in *any* language, because really they don't have anything worthwhile to express ...

whydontIdie
Calcutta, India
40/D-15
Dec 31, 2010
02:23 AM
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Manoj
Hyderabad, India
41/D-21
Dec 31, 2010
08:33 AM
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Manoj
Hyderabad, United States
42/D-46
Dec 31, 2010
03:48 PM

Indians in line for a Nobel.Arundhati,Sonia,Manmohan Singh,Dawood Ibrahim,A.Raja, and with a bit of luck even Digvijay Singh.

S.S.Nagaraj
Bangalore, India
43/D-87
Dec 31, 2010
09:24 PM
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Manoj
Hyderabad, United States
44/D-125
Jan 07, 2011
09:04 PM

No problem, we will give her Bharat Ratna!

Kiran Voleti
Chennai, India
45/D-27
Jan 12, 2011
02:31 AM

If not peace prize, but Arundhati and specially Gilani should get Nobel Economics prize for inventing a creative way of job creation. The details are here

timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/A-stone-pelter-in-Kashmir-gets-paid-Rs-400-a-week/articleshow/7173104.cms

"According to a stone pelter who was arrested recently, each stone pelter is paid Rs 400 every Friday.Police said the money was being raised locally by Hurriyat hardliner Syed Ali Shah Geelani's followers. Most of the money came from fruit mandi and saw mills, the police said."


 

Maha
NJ, United States
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