P Sainath makes much the same points as swapan Dasgupta in his column in The Hindu. Hazare's agitation was acceptable and attracted celebrity support, because if not Hazare his acolytes like the Bhushans and Kiran Bedi were PLUs. However, Ramdev's movement has been trashed and he himself kicked out because he has the affrontery to launch a movement when he is definitely not a PLU.

Mr A.K.Ghai could have added that if Rahul Gandhi is impotent at 40,that is also due to RSS.

Abhi,

The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it. (George Bernard Shaw).

@anwaar

A cynic is one who when smells flower looks for coffine.

Always being cynic doesn't help, it is actually a psychological condition and congress is taking advantage of the same.

Abhi,

>> Why anti corruption campaign is communal?

The concern is about communal forces taking advantage of the anti-corruption mood of the nation to advance their own evil agenda. This has happened before, as has been pointed out in several previous posts.

Abhi,

"I really don't get your or UPA's point here."

It is not your fault. They just donot have any.

"Why anti corruption campaign is communal? "

It is not. They also know it. The main objective is to discredit the movement and create diversion.

@anwaar

I really don't get your or UPA's point here. Why anti corruption campaign is communal? Saffron should not be treated with so much disrespect.

If you say that these people (Hazare and Ramdev) etc did not snub the BJP  and let them share the dias then by this definition even UPA becomes communal as they let BJP share the parliament. What kind of logic is this?

Hazare and Ramdev are not asking that the Anti Corruption bill should be based on some Hindu scripture. This legislation is for good for everybody (except babus and politicians)

If there is any opposition that should be based on the content of the demands not based on who is making these demands or who is supporting these demands. 

How long Seculars and Congress invoke the RSS and Hindutavi Bogie ?

If they get Malaria : then they cry Mosquito was a Member of RSS .

If they get Jaundice : then say RSS poisoned the water

If Lightening falls upon them ;Then they say RSS diverted it upon them

If they are hit by Truck : then they say RSS sent the truck .Driver was Bajrangi

If Ram Dev does not surrender : then they RSS kidnapped him .

If Anna goes on fast : then they say RSS high jacked him.

If they are hit by a shoe : then they say RSS ka Juta tha

If there are floods due rains  : then say Indar God of Rains have joined RSS

If there is draught ; then say Rain God Indar of RSS stole away the clouds

They are in fact suffering from Gabbar syndrome : Beta RSS Gabbar Aa Gaya!

Beta RSS Gabar Aa gya !

Alas this Gabar -RSS movie is now a total flop show. It may be music to the ears of  a few Minority members or die hard Congressies who are in any way opposed to the opinion in general .But Aam Admi jeers it .In the past  CIA was the tormentor we were informed.This show  flopped too.

Whatever,

>> Werent you the one who was supporting the mid-night Govt action against sleeping women, children and old people?

I did not support the action but said that if the raid had taken place in day time, there would have been more injuries.

>> when someone attempted to compare it with Tianamen Sqaure, you commented, with palpable disappointment that people died in T'men Square while Ramlila grounds did not.

"With palpable disappointment" are your hateful words.

>> You are disappointed that live bullets were not fired intothe crowd.

You are a shameless liar.

Irrelevant Indian,

>> Look at all the causes you support or defend: Israt, Sohrabuddin, Banerjee Report, Godhra conspiracy, Afzal Guru, Sachar, Shah Bano, Kashmiri stone-pelters...

How many times do I have to answer this malicious smearing campaign of yours? Is opposing fake encounter murers the same as supporting Ishrat and Sohrabuddin? If so, the Supreme Court is  surrounding itself with "green, crescents and stars". Banerjee is a retired Supreme Court justice, not an Islamist. There are prominent non-Muslim voices opposing the conspiracy theory about Godhra in spite of the court's decision, and I have posted several of their opinions. I have never said anything to support Afzal Guru. You know it, but being a liar, you will keep repeating your canard. I have disagreed with the Muslim opposition to the Shahbano verdict, and have said so several times, but being a liar, you will still keep on repeating it. Kashmir stone pelters have to be punished, but your despicable recommendation was "permissible genocide. You should be ashamed of yourself.

>>  Anti-corruption crusaders saying 'Vande Mataram', Bharat Mata depiction, any religious figure in saffron, Yoga guru in saffron, Gujaratis (for electing Modi), Hindu judges passing adverse judgements (remember "religious nuts"?)...

I do not oppose either Vande Matram or Bharat Mata depiction, but these were among the many other items that were mentioned by many secularists when they were criticizing RSS presence in jantat mantar. Your atempt to bring in Vande matram and Bharat mata in your smear campaign against me shows the low level of your discourse. I have said several times that I do sing Vande matram. That judge in the Ayodhya case was called a religious nut or something similar by many others, and in any case that judgement has been dismissed by the Supreme Court.

Your whole smear campaign against me is a bunch of malicious lies, but I am sure you will continue repeating it!

 Anwaar:"The usual irrelevant and inane attempts to smear from this genocide advocate!"

What about you Anwaar? Werent you the one who was supporting the mid-night Govt action against sleeping women, children and old people? And when someone attempted to compare it with Tianamen Sqaure, you commented, with palpable disappointment that people died in T'men Square while Ramlila grounds did not.

You are an advocate of brutal govt action against peacefully protesting people. So get-off your high horse.

And yes, I repeat what I said earlier. You are disappointed that live bullets were not fired intothe crowd.

"But your communalist credentials have always been much stronger than your interest in corruption."

Dont BS. You phony morality fool no one.

"Me: "If you prefer surrounding yourself with green, crescents and stars...."
Anwaar: The usual irrelevant and inane attempts to smear from this genocide advocate!

You know in your mind that the allegations are true....

Look at all the causes you support or defend: Israt, Sohrabuddin, Banerjee Report, Godhra conspiracy, Afzal Guru, Sachar, Shah Bano, Kashmiri stone-pelters...

Look at all the issues you oppose or deride: Anti-corruption crusaders saying 'Vande Mataram', Bharat Mata depiction, any religious figure in saffron, Yoga guru in saffron, Gujaratis (for electing Modi), Hindu judges passing adverse judgements (remember "religious nuts"?)...

I don't need to put special efforts to "smear you". You are doing a good job of it yourself - I just keep calling your bluffs!!

Irreverent Indian,

>> If you prefer surrounding yourself with green, crescents and stars....

The usual irrelevant and inane attempts to smear from this genocide advocate!

"But the anti-corruption crusaders seem to fall willingly in this trap by surrounding themselves with saffron." - Anwaar

If you prefer surrounding yourself with green, crescents and stars, kindly take that Samjhauta Express to Pakistan. You will find many like-minded people there.

Abhi,

>> anybody talking about corruption will be termed as RSS supporter by congress.

But the anti-corruption crusaders seem to fall willingly in this trap by surrounding themselves with saffron.

Maha,

>> just trying divert the attention by discrediting the anti-corruption movement by raising communal boogies.

But your communalist credentials have always been much stronger than your interest in corruption.

@anwaar

your cry for secular anti corruption movement will not be answered. "

He is not crying for it. Just like other congress lackies, He is just trying divert the attention by discrediting the anti-corruption movement by raising communal boogies. It is futile exercise to argue with him.

@anwaar

your cry for secular anti corruption movement will not be answered. because anybody talking about corruption will be termed as RSS supporter by congress and you will fall for it without blinking.

 "The Congress needs to keep the threat of communalism alive to capture the Muslim vote as it has failed to alleviate their social and economic conditions as the Sachar Report showed. "

Meghnad Desai has nailed it. Thank Ghaiji for this article. 

"So no bread, just circuses. No roti kapda makaan for the Muslims, just plenty of RSS mongering."

Societies, over a period of time, get what they deserve. Those who are happy with Madrassas and minority universities get just that, for they never clamored for education. The same holds true for the farmers who would be happy with booze, caste politics, subsidized fertilizers and waived loans. They never asked for electricity and  irrigation facilities, so never got it.

It is amazing to see the fear that khaki-wearing septuagenarians can drive into a community, world renown for its extremist, stone-age thoughts.

Meghnad Desaiin Indian Express :

''The Congress needs to keep the threat of communalism alive to capture the Muslim vote as it has failed to alleviate their social and economic conditions as the Sachar Report showed. So no bread, just circuses. No roti kapda makaan for the Muslims, just plenty of RSS mongering.

www.indianexpress.com/news/hyperbole-and-hypocrisy/802380/0

Why should Congress or any one should do more for the Muslims when uttering the name of RSS or Modi or Bajrang Dal satisfy them ? PERHAPS MUSLIMS DESERVE OR REQUIRE ONLY THAT and our friends here devote 90 % of their time in condemning Hidndu right wingers rather than condemning Govt not doing enough for the Muslims .

Their constant refrain is " Kaya karen  Sarkar ko  kutch Muslmano ki help karne se Sanghi roktein hein ? "" That is why Sachar Report not implemnted

AS IF Govt only does or  does not do which RSSite desire .

"First was the volte face by the government about Ramdev. Ministers unctuously seeking his darshan at the airport and tugging their forelocks suddenly went berserk late night Saturday/early morning Sunday. Anyone who had watched Baba Ramdev would have sensed he knew he was losing. There was no need to make a martyr of him. But then subtlety has never been the strong point of UPA-II . So we had a really bad demonstration of arbitrary police action not just on the main hero but the supporting cast of hundreds who were asleep or fasting or both "

Yup. The classism of the Anna brigade is quite blatant. I found it quite shocking actually.

Both Anna Hazare and Baba Ramdev would do well to ponder over the methods they used to force Government action against corruption, and to admit that these were counter-productive. While raising public awareness about the scandalous proportions assumed by corruption in the political class is one thing, neither was authorised or capable (in the end) of forcing the Government to submit to their demands. Both were manipulated by other forces, which is why the goalposts shifted in their respective agitations. During the build up to the Anna Hazare fast in Jantar Mantar, RSS think tank Vivekananda International Foundation organised a two-day seminar to galvanise cadres for the Jantar Mantar movement, probably without understanding the issues associated with it. Swami Ramdev came for the valedictory function and stated that an organisation to lead the anti-corruption battle would be formed by RSS thinker K.N. Govindacharya, who would also lead it. Swami Ramdev made it clear that the Bharat Swabhiman Trust would remain separate and continue public awareness work.Obviously, the sudden decision for Swami Ramdev to lead a fast-unto-death at Ramlila Maidan and issue ultimatums to the Government on the issue of return of black money from abroad (and assorted other demands, some laughable) was the result of manipulation of a decent man. Throughout the day of June 4, Govindacharya had a prominent role at Ramlila Maidan. The question legitimately arises why he was missing at night – when everyone in the city knew that the Government was planning some action that night, and messages to this effect had started going out from 2 p.m. onwards. Officially, the talks collapsed only around 7 p.m., but clearly Government was preparing the crackdown prior to the breakdown. Where were all the cadres of the BJP and the RSS, which had clearly used the Baba for a proxy political fight with ruling party?

The Congress-led UPA government lost both honour and legitimacy when, in the dead of night of 4–5 June, it sent armed policemen to invade and assault unarmed, sleeping, anti-corruption protestors at Ramlila Maidan in the capital, led by the celebrated Yogi, Swami Ramdev. The action is reminiscent of the manner in which the Communist Party of India–Marxist lost its reputation when goons raped two women protesting against State land grab for a crony capitalist in Singur, West Bengal. Hindu tradition looks poorly upon those who assault unarmed citizenry, something the Italian-born Roman Catholic does not understand.
Petticoat politicians like Digvijay Singh may exult in the false empowerment wrought by misuse of power, but there should be no doubt that there will be a severe public backlash, with no quarter or mercy for supremo Sonia Maino Gandhi, widely perceived as the architect and beneficiary of this Nazi Gestapo–Sicilian style operation.
 

Today, Congress and the UPA Government stand totally discredited. They have outraged the nation. BJP has sharpened its attack on the government as the most corrupt India has ever seen, and as a government similar to that of 1975, when an ‘unseated’ Prime Minister Indira Gandhi declared a state of emergency, suspended civil liberties, muzzled the Press and threw behind bars all of her critics, including Jaya Prakash Narayan, who led a no-holds-barred campaign against corruption: Total Revolution.
BJP says “UPA Government doesn’t know even a b c of statecraft” and accuses Congress and the government of according legitimacy to radical Islamist Syed Ali Shah Geelani and supporter of Maoist terrorists Binayak Sen by allowing the former to preach sedition under the very nose of the authorities in New Delhi and by putting the latter on an official committee when convicted on the charge of sedition only recently.
It may be recalled that on 21 October 2010, Geelani, along with others, including Arundhati Roy, poured venom on India and preached sedition. While Geelani condemned India and demanded separation of Kashmir, Roy denounced India as “bhookha-nanga Hindustan.” She said: “Kashmir should get Azadi from bhookhe-nange Hindustan.”
The Delhi police under the direct control and direction of the Union Home Ministry took action (beat up) the displaced Kashmiri Hindus and other nationalists gathered at the LTG Auditorium, venue of the anti-India seminar, to protest the anti-India slander. The police not only used force against the pro-India protestors but booked some of them as if they had committed a crime against the State. Geelani and Roy were provided foolproof security cover and allowed to castigate India and promote secessionism

Cabinet Minister Kapil Sibal, drunk with power, termed the barbaric midnight atrocity of the government as correct. As advocate at least, he should know better. Justifying such an act, he said the Baba should teach people yoga asanas and not political asanas. Now does a student of law, an advocate, and a senior minister at that, not know that the constitution does not give political rights only to the likes of him, but to each and every Indian citizen?
What can be unconstitutional about a yoga shivir (camp) coupled with a satyagraha (protest) to eradicate corruption? What is unconstitutional about a sanyasi or yoga guru raising issues that the political class should have addressed years ago? What is unconstitutional about fighting against corruption which has seeped deep into the power echelons and veins of the system? What is unconstitutional about a peaceful fast?
This wanton act of violence and shocking human rights abuse led by the Commissioner of Delhi Police, B.K. Gupta, raises questions of accountability of the Police force itself and its officers. The Police have emerged as an instrument to fulfill the demands of the political establishment, rather than to protect common people. Gupta has often been quoted as saying that the Delhi police are there to serve the people, “we are here for the people); then why did they instead choose to serve the politicians?

Swapan Dasgupta makes a distinction between the consumers of the English media and what H.L.Mencken referred to as "the great unwashed." His comparing the Ramdev protest to the Ayodhya movement is borne out by the mischievous hand of the Sangh Parivar in both. The Ayodhya movement caused divisions from which the nation has not yet recovered, but that suits the BJP, a pseudo-nationalist party, quite well. That's why nationalist elements which do care for the unity of the country must get involved in the anti-corruption movement in greater and greater numbers.

Its no miscalculation on the part of the congress. There is no single mofussil India. Like everything else, there is a multiplicity of mofussil Indias, and none of them can stand each other. For e.g., how many Dalit supporters of Baba Ramdev can you find?

Swapan overestimates the reach of this Mr. Ramdev. If you just bring your monkey to any maidan in India, you can have 30000 standing by watching you. Whats the big deal? Where are all the supporters of Mr. Ramdev now?? This thrid-rate quack now has to answer for all his own ill-gotten wealth, and that is sweet justice.

>> Ramdev’s support base was drawn primarily from B, C and D category towns and lacked either clout or glamour. The English-language media was openly contemptuous of his mission, portraying it as a variant of another Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh-sponsored gau rakshan show.

This is exactly my point. In their quest to intimidate, destroy and diminish any one and every one who can raise an issue that might threaten the DIE-nasty hold on power, the Sickulars of CNN/IBN, undyTV, HindustanTimes, TOIlet, Tehelka all started an outright attacks on practitioners of Hinduism. The THUG DigVijay is leading the CHROUS calling every one names adn these Sickulars are doing their best to attack, vilify and mock the people whom they deem are not sophisticated, rustic and not elite enough.

How long Seculars and Congress invoke the RSS and Hindutavi Bogie ?

If they get Malaria : then they cry Mosquito was a Member of RSS .

If they get Jaundice : then say RSS poisoned the water

If Lightening falls upon them ;Then they say RSS diverted it upon them

If they are hit by Truck : then they say RSS sent the truck .Driver was Bajrangi

If Ram Dev does not surrender : then they RSS kidnapped him .

If Anna goes on fast : then they say RSS high jacked him.

If they are hit by a shoe : then they say RSS ka Juta tha

If there are floods due rains  : then say Indar God of Rains have joined RSS

If there is draught ; then say Rain God Indar of RSS stole away the clouds

They are in fact suffering from Gabbar syndrome : Beta RSS Gabbar Aa Gaya!

Beta RSS Gabar Aa gya !

Alas this Gabar -RSS movie is now a total flop show. It may be music to the ears of  a few Minority members or die hard Congressies who are in any way opposed to the opinion in general .But Aam Admi jeers it .In the past  CIA was the tormentor we were informed.This show  flopped too.

Meghnad Desaiin Indian Express :

''The Congress needs to keep the threat of communalism alive to capture the Muslim vote as it has failed to alleviate their social and economic conditions as the Sachar Report showed. So no bread, just circuses. No roti kapda makaan for the Muslims, just plenty of RSS mongering.

www.indianexpress.com/news/hyperbole-and-hypocrisy/802380/0

Why should Congress or any one should do more for the Muslims when uttering the name of RSS or Modi or Bajrang Dal satisfy them ? PERHAPS MUSLIMS DESERVE OR REQUIRE ONLY THAT and our friends here devote 90 % of their time in condemning Hidndu right wingers rather than condemning Govt not doing enough for the Muslims .

Their constant refrain is " Kaya karen  Sarkar ko  kutch Muslmano ki help karne se Sanghi roktein hein ? "" That is why Sachar Report not implemnted

AS IF Govt only does or  does not do which RSSite desire .

"First was the volte face by the government about Ramdev. Ministers unctuously seeking his darshan at the airport and tugging their forelocks suddenly went berserk late night Saturday/early morning Sunday. Anyone who had watched Baba Ramdev would have sensed he knew he was losing. There was no need to make a martyr of him. But then subtlety has never been the strong point of UPA-II . So we had a really bad demonstration of arbitrary police action not just on the main hero but the supporting cast of hundreds who were asleep or fasting or both "

"Me: "If you prefer surrounding yourself with green, crescents and stars...."
Anwaar: The usual irrelevant and inane attempts to smear from this genocide advocate!

You know in your mind that the allegations are true....

Look at all the causes you support or defend: Israt, Sohrabuddin, Banerjee Report, Godhra conspiracy, Afzal Guru, Sachar, Shah Bano, Kashmiri stone-pelters...

Look at all the issues you oppose or deride: Anti-corruption crusaders saying 'Vande Mataram', Bharat Mata depiction, any religious figure in saffron, Yoga guru in saffron, Gujaratis (for electing Modi), Hindu judges passing adverse judgements (remember "religious nuts"?)...

I don't need to put special efforts to "smear you". You are doing a good job of it yourself - I just keep calling your bluffs!!

>> Ramdev’s support base was drawn primarily from B, C and D category towns and lacked either clout or glamour. The English-language media was openly contemptuous of his mission, portraying it as a variant of another Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh-sponsored gau rakshan show.

This is exactly my point. In their quest to intimidate, destroy and diminish any one and every one who can raise an issue that might threaten the DIE-nasty hold on power, the Sickulars of CNN/IBN, undyTV, HindustanTimes, TOIlet, Tehelka all started an outright attacks on practitioners of Hinduism. The THUG DigVijay is leading the CHROUS calling every one names adn these Sickulars are doing their best to attack, vilify and mock the people whom they deem are not sophisticated, rustic and not elite enough.

"But the anti-corruption crusaders seem to fall willingly in this trap by surrounding themselves with saffron." - Anwaar

If you prefer surrounding yourself with green, crescents and stars, kindly take that Samjhauta Express to Pakistan. You will find many like-minded people there.

"So no bread, just circuses. No roti kapda makaan for the Muslims, just plenty of RSS mongering."

Societies, over a period of time, get what they deserve. Those who are happy with Madrassas and minority universities get just that, for they never clamored for education. The same holds true for the farmers who would be happy with booze, caste politics, subsidized fertilizers and waived loans. They never asked for electricity and  irrigation facilities, so never got it.

It is amazing to see the fear that khaki-wearing septuagenarians can drive into a community, world renown for its extremist, stone-age thoughts.

Abhi,

"I really don't get your or UPA's point here."

It is not your fault. They just donot have any.

"Why anti corruption campaign is communal? "

It is not. They also know it. The main objective is to discredit the movement and create diversion.

 "The Congress needs to keep the threat of communalism alive to capture the Muslim vote as it has failed to alleviate their social and economic conditions as the Sachar Report showed. "

Meghnad Desai has nailed it. Thank Ghaiji for this article. 

@anwaar

I really don't get your or UPA's point here. Why anti corruption campaign is communal? Saffron should not be treated with so much disrespect.

If you say that these people (Hazare and Ramdev) etc did not snub the BJP  and let them share the dias then by this definition even UPA becomes communal as they let BJP share the parliament. What kind of logic is this?

Hazare and Ramdev are not asking that the Anti Corruption bill should be based on some Hindu scripture. This legislation is for good for everybody (except babus and politicians)

If there is any opposition that should be based on the content of the demands not based on who is making these demands or who is supporting these demands. 

 Anwaar:"The usual irrelevant and inane attempts to smear from this genocide advocate!"

What about you Anwaar? Werent you the one who was supporting the mid-night Govt action against sleeping women, children and old people? And when someone attempted to compare it with Tianamen Sqaure, you commented, with palpable disappointment that people died in T'men Square while Ramlila grounds did not.

You are an advocate of brutal govt action against peacefully protesting people. So get-off your high horse.

And yes, I repeat what I said earlier. You are disappointed that live bullets were not fired intothe crowd.

Cabinet Minister Kapil Sibal, drunk with power, termed the barbaric midnight atrocity of the government as correct. As advocate at least, he should know better. Justifying such an act, he said the Baba should teach people yoga asanas and not political asanas. Now does a student of law, an advocate, and a senior minister at that, not know that the constitution does not give political rights only to the likes of him, but to each and every Indian citizen?
What can be unconstitutional about a yoga shivir (camp) coupled with a satyagraha (protest) to eradicate corruption? What is unconstitutional about a sanyasi or yoga guru raising issues that the political class should have addressed years ago? What is unconstitutional about fighting against corruption which has seeped deep into the power echelons and veins of the system? What is unconstitutional about a peaceful fast?
This wanton act of violence and shocking human rights abuse led by the Commissioner of Delhi Police, B.K. Gupta, raises questions of accountability of the Police force itself and its officers. The Police have emerged as an instrument to fulfill the demands of the political establishment, rather than to protect common people. Gupta has often been quoted as saying that the Delhi police are there to serve the people, “we are here for the people); then why did they instead choose to serve the politicians?

"But your communalist credentials have always been much stronger than your interest in corruption."

Dont BS. You phony morality fool no one.

@anwaar

your cry for secular anti corruption movement will not be answered. "

He is not crying for it. Just like other congress lackies, He is just trying divert the attention by discrediting the anti-corruption movement by raising communal boogies. It is futile exercise to argue with him.

@anwaar

your cry for secular anti corruption movement will not be answered. because anybody talking about corruption will be termed as RSS supporter by congress and you will fall for it without blinking.

Today, Congress and the UPA Government stand totally discredited. They have outraged the nation. BJP has sharpened its attack on the government as the most corrupt India has ever seen, and as a government similar to that of 1975, when an ‘unseated’ Prime Minister Indira Gandhi declared a state of emergency, suspended civil liberties, muzzled the Press and threw behind bars all of her critics, including Jaya Prakash Narayan, who led a no-holds-barred campaign against corruption: Total Revolution.
BJP says “UPA Government doesn’t know even a b c of statecraft” and accuses Congress and the government of according legitimacy to radical Islamist Syed Ali Shah Geelani and supporter of Maoist terrorists Binayak Sen by allowing the former to preach sedition under the very nose of the authorities in New Delhi and by putting the latter on an official committee when convicted on the charge of sedition only recently.
It may be recalled that on 21 October 2010, Geelani, along with others, including Arundhati Roy, poured venom on India and preached sedition. While Geelani condemned India and demanded separation of Kashmir, Roy denounced India as “bhookha-nanga Hindustan.” She said: “Kashmir should get Azadi from bhookhe-nange Hindustan.”
The Delhi police under the direct control and direction of the Union Home Ministry took action (beat up) the displaced Kashmiri Hindus and other nationalists gathered at the LTG Auditorium, venue of the anti-India seminar, to protest the anti-India slander. The police not only used force against the pro-India protestors but booked some of them as if they had committed a crime against the State. Geelani and Roy were provided foolproof security cover and allowed to castigate India and promote secessionism

Its no miscalculation on the part of the congress. There is no single mofussil India. Like everything else, there is a multiplicity of mofussil Indias, and none of them can stand each other. For e.g., how many Dalit supporters of Baba Ramdev can you find?

Swapan overestimates the reach of this Mr. Ramdev. If you just bring your monkey to any maidan in India, you can have 30000 standing by watching you. Whats the big deal? Where are all the supporters of Mr. Ramdev now?? This thrid-rate quack now has to answer for all his own ill-gotten wealth, and that is sweet justice.

Mr A.K.Ghai could have added that if Rahul Gandhi is impotent at 40,that is also due to RSS.

Both Anna Hazare and Baba Ramdev would do well to ponder over the methods they used to force Government action against corruption, and to admit that these were counter-productive. While raising public awareness about the scandalous proportions assumed by corruption in the political class is one thing, neither was authorised or capable (in the end) of forcing the Government to submit to their demands. Both were manipulated by other forces, which is why the goalposts shifted in their respective agitations. During the build up to the Anna Hazare fast in Jantar Mantar, RSS think tank Vivekananda International Foundation organised a two-day seminar to galvanise cadres for the Jantar Mantar movement, probably without understanding the issues associated with it. Swami Ramdev came for the valedictory function and stated that an organisation to lead the anti-corruption battle would be formed by RSS thinker K.N. Govindacharya, who would also lead it. Swami Ramdev made it clear that the Bharat Swabhiman Trust would remain separate and continue public awareness work.Obviously, the sudden decision for Swami Ramdev to lead a fast-unto-death at Ramlila Maidan and issue ultimatums to the Government on the issue of return of black money from abroad (and assorted other demands, some laughable) was the result of manipulation of a decent man. Throughout the day of June 4, Govindacharya had a prominent role at Ramlila Maidan. The question legitimately arises why he was missing at night – when everyone in the city knew that the Government was planning some action that night, and messages to this effect had started going out from 2 p.m. onwards. Officially, the talks collapsed only around 7 p.m., but clearly Government was preparing the crackdown prior to the breakdown. Where were all the cadres of the BJP and the RSS, which had clearly used the Baba for a proxy political fight with ruling party?

The Congress-led UPA government lost both honour and legitimacy when, in the dead of night of 4–5 June, it sent armed policemen to invade and assault unarmed, sleeping, anti-corruption protestors at Ramlila Maidan in the capital, led by the celebrated Yogi, Swami Ramdev. The action is reminiscent of the manner in which the Communist Party of India–Marxist lost its reputation when goons raped two women protesting against State land grab for a crony capitalist in Singur, West Bengal. Hindu tradition looks poorly upon those who assault unarmed citizenry, something the Italian-born Roman Catholic does not understand.
Petticoat politicians like Digvijay Singh may exult in the false empowerment wrought by misuse of power, but there should be no doubt that there will be a severe public backlash, with no quarter or mercy for supremo Sonia Maino Gandhi, widely perceived as the architect and beneficiary of this Nazi Gestapo–Sicilian style operation.
 

@anwaar

A cynic is one who when smells flower looks for coffine.

Always being cynic doesn't help, it is actually a psychological condition and congress is taking advantage of the same.

Irreverent Indian,

>> If you prefer surrounding yourself with green, crescents and stars....

The usual irrelevant and inane attempts to smear from this genocide advocate!

Abhi,

>> anybody talking about corruption will be termed as RSS supporter by congress.

But the anti-corruption crusaders seem to fall willingly in this trap by surrounding themselves with saffron.

Maha,

>> just trying divert the attention by discrediting the anti-corruption movement by raising communal boogies.

But your communalist credentials have always been much stronger than your interest in corruption.

Swapan Dasgupta makes a distinction between the consumers of the English media and what H.L.Mencken referred to as "the great unwashed." His comparing the Ramdev protest to the Ayodhya movement is borne out by the mischievous hand of the Sangh Parivar in both. The Ayodhya movement caused divisions from which the nation has not yet recovered, but that suits the BJP, a pseudo-nationalist party, quite well. That's why nationalist elements which do care for the unity of the country must get involved in the anti-corruption movement in greater and greater numbers.

Swapan Dasgupta makes a distinction between the consumers of the English media and what H.L.Mencken referred to as "the great unwashed." His comparing the Ramdev protest to the Ayodhya movement is borne out by the mischievous hand of the Sangh Parivar in both. The Ayodhya movement caused divisions from which the nation has not yet recovered, but that suits the BJP, a pseudo-nationalist party, quite well. That's why nationalist elements which do care for the unity of the country must get involved in the anti-corruption movement in greater and greater numbers.

Its no miscalculation on the part of the congress. There is no single mofussil India. Like everything else, there is a multiplicity of mofussil Indias, and none of them can stand each other. For e.g., how many Dalit supporters of Baba Ramdev can you find?

Swapan overestimates the reach of this Mr. Ramdev. If you just bring your monkey to any maidan in India, you can have 30000 standing by watching you. Whats the big deal? Where are all the supporters of Mr. Ramdev now?? This thrid-rate quack now has to answer for all his own ill-gotten wealth, and that is sweet justice.

Abhi,

>> Why anti corruption campaign is communal?

The concern is about communal forces taking advantage of the anti-corruption mood of the nation to advance their own evil agenda. This has happened before, as has been pointed out in several previous posts.

Irreverent Indian,

>> If you prefer surrounding yourself with green, crescents and stars....

The usual irrelevant and inane attempts to smear from this genocide advocate!

Abhi,

>> anybody talking about corruption will be termed as RSS supporter by congress.

But the anti-corruption crusaders seem to fall willingly in this trap by surrounding themselves with saffron.

Maha,

>> just trying divert the attention by discrediting the anti-corruption movement by raising communal boogies.

But your communalist credentials have always been much stronger than your interest in corruption.

Abhi,

The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it. (George Bernard Shaw).

"So no bread, just circuses. No roti kapda makaan for the Muslims, just plenty of RSS mongering."

Societies, over a period of time, get what they deserve. Those who are happy with Madrassas and minority universities get just that, for they never clamored for education. The same holds true for the farmers who would be happy with booze, caste politics, subsidized fertilizers and waived loans. They never asked for electricity and  irrigation facilities, so never got it.

It is amazing to see the fear that khaki-wearing septuagenarians can drive into a community, world renown for its extremist, stone-age thoughts.

Both Anna Hazare and Baba Ramdev would do well to ponder over the methods they used to force Government action against corruption, and to admit that these were counter-productive. While raising public awareness about the scandalous proportions assumed by corruption in the political class is one thing, neither was authorised or capable (in the end) of forcing the Government to submit to their demands. Both were manipulated by other forces, which is why the goalposts shifted in their respective agitations. During the build up to the Anna Hazare fast in Jantar Mantar, RSS think tank Vivekananda International Foundation organised a two-day seminar to galvanise cadres for the Jantar Mantar movement, probably without understanding the issues associated with it. Swami Ramdev came for the valedictory function and stated that an organisation to lead the anti-corruption battle would be formed by RSS thinker K.N. Govindacharya, who would also lead it. Swami Ramdev made it clear that the Bharat Swabhiman Trust would remain separate and continue public awareness work.Obviously, the sudden decision for Swami Ramdev to lead a fast-unto-death at Ramlila Maidan and issue ultimatums to the Government on the issue of return of black money from abroad (and assorted other demands, some laughable) was the result of manipulation of a decent man. Throughout the day of June 4, Govindacharya had a prominent role at Ramlila Maidan. The question legitimately arises why he was missing at night – when everyone in the city knew that the Government was planning some action that night, and messages to this effect had started going out from 2 p.m. onwards. Officially, the talks collapsed only around 7 p.m., but clearly Government was preparing the crackdown prior to the breakdown. Where were all the cadres of the BJP and the RSS, which had clearly used the Baba for a proxy political fight with ruling party?

Cabinet Minister Kapil Sibal, drunk with power, termed the barbaric midnight atrocity of the government as correct. As advocate at least, he should know better. Justifying such an act, he said the Baba should teach people yoga asanas and not political asanas. Now does a student of law, an advocate, and a senior minister at that, not know that the constitution does not give political rights only to the likes of him, but to each and every Indian citizen?
What can be unconstitutional about a yoga shivir (camp) coupled with a satyagraha (protest) to eradicate corruption? What is unconstitutional about a sanyasi or yoga guru raising issues that the political class should have addressed years ago? What is unconstitutional about fighting against corruption which has seeped deep into the power echelons and veins of the system? What is unconstitutional about a peaceful fast?
This wanton act of violence and shocking human rights abuse led by the Commissioner of Delhi Police, B.K. Gupta, raises questions of accountability of the Police force itself and its officers. The Police have emerged as an instrument to fulfill the demands of the political establishment, rather than to protect common people. Gupta has often been quoted as saying that the Delhi police are there to serve the people, “we are here for the people); then why did they instead choose to serve the politicians?

>> Ramdev’s support base was drawn primarily from B, C and D category towns and lacked either clout or glamour. The English-language media was openly contemptuous of his mission, portraying it as a variant of another Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh-sponsored gau rakshan show.

This is exactly my point. In their quest to intimidate, destroy and diminish any one and every one who can raise an issue that might threaten the DIE-nasty hold on power, the Sickulars of CNN/IBN, undyTV, HindustanTimes, TOIlet, Tehelka all started an outright attacks on practitioners of Hinduism. The THUG DigVijay is leading the CHROUS calling every one names adn these Sickulars are doing their best to attack, vilify and mock the people whom they deem are not sophisticated, rustic and not elite enough.

Whatever,

>> Werent you the one who was supporting the mid-night Govt action against sleeping women, children and old people?

I did not support the action but said that if the raid had taken place in day time, there would have been more injuries.

>> when someone attempted to compare it with Tianamen Sqaure, you commented, with palpable disappointment that people died in T'men Square while Ramlila grounds did not.

"With palpable disappointment" are your hateful words.

>> You are disappointed that live bullets were not fired intothe crowd.

You are a shameless liar.

Irrelevant Indian,

>> Look at all the causes you support or defend: Israt, Sohrabuddin, Banerjee Report, Godhra conspiracy, Afzal Guru, Sachar, Shah Bano, Kashmiri stone-pelters...

How many times do I have to answer this malicious smearing campaign of yours? Is opposing fake encounter murers the same as supporting Ishrat and Sohrabuddin? If so, the Supreme Court is  surrounding itself with "green, crescents and stars". Banerjee is a retired Supreme Court justice, not an Islamist. There are prominent non-Muslim voices opposing the conspiracy theory about Godhra in spite of the court's decision, and I have posted several of their opinions. I have never said anything to support Afzal Guru. You know it, but being a liar, you will keep repeating your canard. I have disagreed with the Muslim opposition to the Shahbano verdict, and have said so several times, but being a liar, you will still keep on repeating it. Kashmir stone pelters have to be punished, but your despicable recommendation was "permissible genocide. You should be ashamed of yourself.

>>  Anti-corruption crusaders saying 'Vande Mataram', Bharat Mata depiction, any religious figure in saffron, Yoga guru in saffron, Gujaratis (for electing Modi), Hindu judges passing adverse judgements (remember "religious nuts"?)...

I do not oppose either Vande Matram or Bharat Mata depiction, but these were among the many other items that were mentioned by many secularists when they were criticizing RSS presence in jantat mantar. Your atempt to bring in Vande matram and Bharat mata in your smear campaign against me shows the low level of your discourse. I have said several times that I do sing Vande matram. That judge in the Ayodhya case was called a religious nut or something similar by many others, and in any case that judgement has been dismissed by the Supreme Court.

Your whole smear campaign against me is a bunch of malicious lies, but I am sure you will continue repeating it!

"Me: "If you prefer surrounding yourself with green, crescents and stars...."
Anwaar: The usual irrelevant and inane attempts to smear from this genocide advocate!

You know in your mind that the allegations are true....

Look at all the causes you support or defend: Israt, Sohrabuddin, Banerjee Report, Godhra conspiracy, Afzal Guru, Sachar, Shah Bano, Kashmiri stone-pelters...

Look at all the issues you oppose or deride: Anti-corruption crusaders saying 'Vande Mataram', Bharat Mata depiction, any religious figure in saffron, Yoga guru in saffron, Gujaratis (for electing Modi), Hindu judges passing adverse judgements (remember "religious nuts"?)...

I don't need to put special efforts to "smear you". You are doing a good job of it yourself - I just keep calling your bluffs!!

"But the anti-corruption crusaders seem to fall willingly in this trap by surrounding themselves with saffron." - Anwaar

If you prefer surrounding yourself with green, crescents and stars, kindly take that Samjhauta Express to Pakistan. You will find many like-minded people there.

Meghnad Desaiin Indian Express :

''The Congress needs to keep the threat of communalism alive to capture the Muslim vote as it has failed to alleviate their social and economic conditions as the Sachar Report showed. So no bread, just circuses. No roti kapda makaan for the Muslims, just plenty of RSS mongering.

www.indianexpress.com/news/hyperbole-and-hypocrisy/802380/0

Why should Congress or any one should do more for the Muslims when uttering the name of RSS or Modi or Bajrang Dal satisfy them ? PERHAPS MUSLIMS DESERVE OR REQUIRE ONLY THAT and our friends here devote 90 % of their time in condemning Hidndu right wingers rather than condemning Govt not doing enough for the Muslims .

Their constant refrain is " Kaya karen  Sarkar ko  kutch Muslmano ki help karne se Sanghi roktein hein ? "" That is why Sachar Report not implemnted

AS IF Govt only does or  does not do which RSSite desire .

"First was the volte face by the government about Ramdev. Ministers unctuously seeking his darshan at the airport and tugging their forelocks suddenly went berserk late night Saturday/early morning Sunday. Anyone who had watched Baba Ramdev would have sensed he knew he was losing. There was no need to make a martyr of him. But then subtlety has never been the strong point of UPA-II . So we had a really bad demonstration of arbitrary police action not just on the main hero but the supporting cast of hundreds who were asleep or fasting or both "

Yup. The classism of the Anna brigade is quite blatant. I found it quite shocking actually.

The Congress-led UPA government lost both honour and legitimacy when, in the dead of night of 4–5 June, it sent armed policemen to invade and assault unarmed, sleeping, anti-corruption protestors at Ramlila Maidan in the capital, led by the celebrated Yogi, Swami Ramdev. The action is reminiscent of the manner in which the Communist Party of India–Marxist lost its reputation when goons raped two women protesting against State land grab for a crony capitalist in Singur, West Bengal. Hindu tradition looks poorly upon those who assault unarmed citizenry, something the Italian-born Roman Catholic does not understand.
Petticoat politicians like Digvijay Singh may exult in the false empowerment wrought by misuse of power, but there should be no doubt that there will be a severe public backlash, with no quarter or mercy for supremo Sonia Maino Gandhi, widely perceived as the architect and beneficiary of this Nazi Gestapo–Sicilian style operation.
 

Today, Congress and the UPA Government stand totally discredited. They have outraged the nation. BJP has sharpened its attack on the government as the most corrupt India has ever seen, and as a government similar to that of 1975, when an ‘unseated’ Prime Minister Indira Gandhi declared a state of emergency, suspended civil liberties, muzzled the Press and threw behind bars all of her critics, including Jaya Prakash Narayan, who led a no-holds-barred campaign against corruption: Total Revolution.
BJP says “UPA Government doesn’t know even a b c of statecraft” and accuses Congress and the government of according legitimacy to radical Islamist Syed Ali Shah Geelani and supporter of Maoist terrorists Binayak Sen by allowing the former to preach sedition under the very nose of the authorities in New Delhi and by putting the latter on an official committee when convicted on the charge of sedition only recently.
It may be recalled that on 21 October 2010, Geelani, along with others, including Arundhati Roy, poured venom on India and preached sedition. While Geelani condemned India and demanded separation of Kashmir, Roy denounced India as “bhookha-nanga Hindustan.” She said: “Kashmir should get Azadi from bhookhe-nange Hindustan.”
The Delhi police under the direct control and direction of the Union Home Ministry took action (beat up) the displaced Kashmiri Hindus and other nationalists gathered at the LTG Auditorium, venue of the anti-India seminar, to protest the anti-India slander. The police not only used force against the pro-India protestors but booked some of them as if they had committed a crime against the State. Geelani and Roy were provided foolproof security cover and allowed to castigate India and promote secessionism